Phil Schneider’s Dulce Base “delusion”

As I stated elsewhere many times before, I am a firm believer in the reality of the UFO phenomenon and that the phenomenon seems to continue to be reported from time to time even in places like Dulce, New Mexico, which is no exception.   As of yet, we do not know the true nature of this strange phenomenon.   

(Please refer to my article at the very bottom of this page: PARAPHYSICAL PHENOMENON DOES SEEM TO EXIST IN DULCE, NEW MEXICO)

But I do not believe in the fabricated tales of con artist Phil Schneider and his claims about the Dulce base whose physical existence has never been proven beyond a shadow of doubt.


“The numerous lies and fabrications of Phil Schneider are so multiple and so atrocious that they need to be exposed.

There is a website called Phil Schneider Memorial.

They’re actually calling it a website for a murdered patriot.

If Phil Schneider is a patriot of anything, he’s a patriot of disinformation.

He started giving lectures from 1995, mainly among “survival” groups.

He usually started off his talks by saying that the major reason for going public was that his best friend, Ron Rummel, was murdered in a park and had been in the Air Force as an intelligence agent.

Ron Rummel had never been in the Air Force, as far as we know.

Rummel was found in a park in Portland in 1993.

The police had determined that he had committed suicide by shooting himself in the mouth with a pistol on August 6, 1993.

Ron, Philip and 5 other individuals had been collaborating on a little magazine called “The Alien Digest”.

It was starting to get a fairly wide circulation when Ron was found in the park.

(CLICK TO ENLARGE ABOVE – – Creston was Ron Rummel)

Phil Schneider, with his one-track conspiracy mind-set, immediately decided that his friend had been murdered.

Because this story was posted when the Internet was just beginning in the ‘90s, it has taken on a life of its own and been copied and circulated over and over.

Circular knowledge is not knowledge at all, it is just repeating what someone else says.

By the way, the proof of Schneider’s lies in the math.

Take Phil’s age and his time on various jobs he claimed to do, certainly try and consider time at college for his supposed degrees, which never existed anyway so scratch the college time and you’ll see that he would have been 17 years old when he went to work for the government.  Phil stated that he worked in Dulce in 1979.

He claimed he was one of three people to survive the 1979 fire fight between the Greys and the US intelligence and military at the Dulce underground base.

Phil was found dead in January of 1996, supposedly due to what some one-track conspiracy-minded folks like to claim as an “execution style murder”.

The  Clackamas County Coroner’s office finally concluded that it was suicide.

Schneider was not murdered.

Schneider had suffered from multiple physical illnesses  (brittle bone syndrome – osteoporosis, cancer and self-inflicted injuries.)

He had intense chronic pain all of the time.

But above all, Phil Schneider suffered from self-inflicting, self-mutilating psychological disorder, mental instability and delusive illness.

Here is his Social Security disability income (SSI):


An autopsy was performed at the Multnomah County Medical Examiner’s office in Portland, Oregon by Dr. Gunson, and she determined that Philip had committed suicide by wrapping a rubber catheter hose three times around his neck, and half-knotting in front.

The late Gabe Valdez who was the State Patrol Officer in charge of the Dulce area for many years, also stated that Schneider’s death was a suicide, after examining the autopsy report:

(ABOVE – – an excellent book written by Gabe Valdez’s son, Greg Valdez in which he exposes Phil Schneider as a fraud)


Cynthia Schneider Drayer was the person who actually came up with the murder theory.

Cynthia didn’t get this idea from actual evidence but from her mother, who had a psychic vision and concluded that Phil was murdered.

Cynthia also claimed that her dad, Frank Martain, was killed in Albuquerque in 1952 as part of another conspiracy involving the government.

Her inconsistent story also claimed that Phil’s hands were tied when he was found dead and then later claimed they were by his side.

Her story has many inconsistencies, making Phil’s involvement in Dulce extremely unlikely and not credible.

Cynthia Drayer quickly started requesting money in her correspondence with Gabe Valdez because, she claimed, Phil did not have life insurance.

Cynthia has provided much of the rumors about Phil.

There are claims that Phil was killed with piano wire, but the autopsy report clearly indicates that he died with surgical tubing around his neck.

The piano wire theory was part of the psychic vision and not actual evidence.

Take caution with any website or person claiming he was killed with piano wire, because he was not.”



Phil Schneider did not tell his bogus story till 1995.

Phil had never heard of “Project Gasbuggy”.

(ABOVE – – schematic drawing of Project Gasbuggy, conducted by the Atomic Energy Commission on December 10, 1967, about 22 miles southwest of Dulce, New Mexico to ease the flow of natural gas in the area)

Yet Schneider claimed to be a knowledgeable “geologist” and explosive expert.

Schneider was never able or willing to prove his allegations, such as showing the entrance to the Dulce base or where tunnels he drilled were located.

Phil Schneider repeated information about underground bases that was already in print.

Phil Schneider quoted “word for wordmaterial already written by other researchers:

(ABOVE – – another con artist Cherry Hinkle who initially went by “Anne West”)

(ABOVE – – the alleged Thomas E. Castello, whose existence has never been proven)

(ABOVE – – the late Paul Bennewitz of Albuquerque, New Mexico who in 1979 first became convinced that there was a Dulce underground base under the Archuleta Mesa)

(ABOVE – – John Lear, propagator of “alien myths”)

(ABOVE – -another con artist, Al Bielek)

(ABOVE – – BRANTON, a.k.a., Alan B. deWalton, author of “Dulce Wars”)

(ABOVE – – Tal Levesque, a.k.a., Jason Bishop III, early promoter of the Dulce Base myth and originator of the underground tunnels map of the United States):

(ABOVE – – Bob Lazar, who was said to have manipulated his buddy John Lear‘s insinuation of 1989 that in 1975, there was an altercation between U.S. Delta Forces and alien entities in a U.S. underground facility, suggesting that it was under Groom Lake/Area 51)


In other words, Phil Schneider practically “hijacked” Bob Lazar‘s dubious insinuation of 1989  that in 1975 there was an altercation between a U.S. elite military force and alien entities in an underground base, suggested to be under Groom Lake/Area 51   (John Lear credited this allegation to Bob Lazar, Lear’s good buddy)   and then Schneider, in turn, conveniently made himself a “protagonist” in a new fabricated tale  (changing the location to Dulce, New Mexico and the year to 1979)  since no one else had done it before.

Phil Schneider did not bring forward any new information, not already in circulation.

Schneider did put on a good show for any “newbie” to the Info.

He did tie together many aspects of the material.

He did correlate the data in a dramatic “story” format that flowed well.

He put a personal face on all the material and that was compelling.

Phil said “I got shot in the chest with one of the aliens’ weapons, which was a box on their body, that blew a hole in me and gave me a nasty dose of cobalt radiation.  I have had cancer because of that”.

Radioactive cobalt is used for commercial and medical purposes.  Exposure to high levels of cobalt can result in lung and heart effects and dermatitis.  Phil may have gotten his exposure to cobalt by undergoing radiation therapy treatment of deep-seated cancer.

But, there are no “Cobalt Weapons” except in “Flash Gordon” stories.

Later, Phil said “right now I am dying of cancer that I contracted because of my work for the federal government”.

Phil said he had a “Rhyolite-38” clearance factor – one of the highest in the world.

Rhyolite was a top-secret surveillance satellite system developed at TRW.   Rhyolite is referred in SIGINT (Signal Intelligence) satellites.  Phil was not involved with this type of work.

No, he did not have a Rhyolite clearance.

No, Phil Schneider was nothing more than a narcissistic liar and fabricator.

But one thing Schneider succeeded was in staging his own “murder” as a last resort in order to relieve himself of physical pain and, at the same time, creating a legacy of immortal personality cult among many of the brainwashed, gullible folks who inhabit the world of Ufology.


“Yes, this information  (Norio Hayakawa’s information)  agrees with what I found out from Phil’s brother and sister, and friends of Ron Rummel, and other friends of Phil’s.  Thank you for sharing. It is so easy for information to circulate round and round on the internet.

It was back in the late 1990’s when I called Phil’s brother George on the phone who was working then at the Portland River Patrol and he had his sister, Polly send me a letter also.  The Schneider family came from Russia in the late 1800’s and were Jewish, and the family was deeply hurt when Phil lied and said his father was a German U-Boat commander during WWII, when in reality his father was a medical officer in the US Navy.  His uncle is an attorney in Portland.  I think I did this research in 1996, 22 years ago, so a whole new generation is now reading all this stuff that has taken on a life of it’s own.  Separating the BS from the truth is difficult, but well worth it.  Norio, we moved back to NJ in 2012.  Good to hear from you again.”


From G. Clinton:

What I know about Phil Schneider:


“This morning in the state of boredom I decided to look up and see if I can find anything about people I used to know on Google.

Imagine my surprise to find that there was a cult of Phil Schneider who I knew very well in 1977 though 1980.

I moved to Portland, Oregon in 1977 unemployed and very short on funds.  I moved into a very cheap rooming house

Shortly after I moved in Phil Schneider moved in.  It didn’t take me very long at all to realize that he was a liar.  And I thought he was mentally ill.

His missing fingers:

He told me that he had lost them when he was working in eastern Oregon as a lineman when he had some sort of mishap on a pole (frankly I no longer recall the details; it has been nearly 40 years).

His chest wound:

I took him to the hospital.

One day as I was talking to other roomers in the common room, Phil came down the stairs with blood on his shirt saying he’d been shot.  A story he quickly changed to somehow being inflicted by a passing car having losing a snow stud which struck him in the chest causing the wounds.  No one present believed him, of course, but it was certainly not the time for discussions of his credibility.  I took him to the hospital.

After a short time one of the ER doctors came up to me and asked if I had any influence with Phil.  I said,”not really.”  The doctor said that they would like to keep him for a psych evaluation but had no grounds to do so.  I was asked to try to convince Phil to voluntarily submit.

At this point and having my own suspicions I said to the doctor, ” you suspect it’s self-inflicted?”  The doctor said, yes.

I did talk to Phil a little bit, of course he refused.

I wish I could remember which hospital in Portland it was.  Unfortunately I just don’t.  But there should be records.

This happened in possibly late 77 more likely 78 perhaps even early 79.

There is more I could talk about.  But none of it would be particularly germaine.

By the time I parted company with Phil, entirely, probably sometime in 1980, I was of the very solid opinion that Phil was disturbed and probably a danger to himself but not others   (I should note here that I’m completely unqualified in any clinical sense to say these things.)

Now I know that no one has any particular reason to give my testimony any credibility.

But, there it is.  I hope that this may help slightly for some people to be suspicious of anything he said.  I certainly was and am.

Phil Schneider was not a horrible person.  Hell was certainly at some level delusional.  He was for a short time a very flawed friend of mine.”


Also, please click and read the following:


Here is the YouTube format of:

Here is an interesting information provided by Chris White.  “There are newly released (via FOIA FBI) docs that show how Phil lost his fingers.  He cut them off himself while in a mental health facility“:


Finally, please click and read my article:



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6 thoughts on “Phil Schneider’s Dulce Base “delusion”

  1. As a retired MP, I can tell you this statement definitely bogus: ” I cut up my security card and sent it back to the government”.
    Reason: Any / All id security badges for access to secure sites are maintained in a secure location, usually just outside the entry control point (ecp). They are checked in and out and are a controlled item, to say the least. It is a MAJOR problem when a controlled item is unaccounted for, and usually an immediate search and investigation is conducted, and usually the items are recovered inside the controlled access area. Caveat: I am NOT talking about flightline badges or similliar access cards…those are accountable items, but not controlled.

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    • Thanks so much for your comment, Darrell. You are absolutely right.
      When Phil stated that he “cut up his security card and sent it back to the government”, he was showing his total ignorance and revealed that he was a total fraud.
      I sure appreciate your input, Darrell. Thanks!


  2. SSI is not Social Security. SSI is state funded, DHS, JFS, Welfare, etc. But on topic I agree this guy’s stories don’t add up. He claims he got shot in the shoulder, and only points to it. He claims to have been sliced open from chest to pelvis, doesn’t show a scar.


  3. So I felt that I needed to clarify some information about Philip Schneider, and myself ( I am his ex-wife, Cynthia). I knew Philip formally beginning in 1986 through the Oregon Agate and Mineral Society. He was receiving SSI, which is for disabilities. Philip initially tried to get regular social security benefits, but he could not prove his work record. Apparently he worked under the wrong social security number for most of his work life, and it was only discovered when he applied for SSA. I found paperwork in his apartment after his death that proves that most of his work record was under the wrong number. But because the number was being used by a living person, there was little I could do after his death. The work that was on this “other number” was Morrison Knudson, Coast Guard, and military work. So you will not find most of the work he did under the current social security number in which the SSI was given. Because we had a daughter together I did try to prove his work records after his death so that she might receive death benefits from her father. This did not happen. I seem to be pegged as a money hungry lair, which I am not. I was simply a single parent with 2 children to raise, one of which was Philip’s daughter. As the executor of his estate, it was my duty to pursue possible benefits for his daughter, who was the only heir to his estate. I did find a very old life insurance policy which stated that Philip had two brothers. He always stated that this was true, and yet he had only one brother “alive” when I met him. As far as Philip’s education, you can find his picture in a Duke University yearbook.
    You mention information about Ron Rummell, who was the best friend of Philip’s. If you look at the police report, as I have, you will see that the gun that was used in his death did not have blow back blood. This would mean that after he was shot, someone cleaned the gun. I’m pretty sure that if you shoot yourself in the mouth, as Ron is suppose to have done, then you would have blood on the gun…..He had a child, he was excited about his “Alien Digest”, he was receiving world wide acclaim for the information that was in the digest, he was about to write a book. His “father in law” was the publisher of his digest (he was not married to his daughter, but they had the child together). Based on having met Ron first hand, I do not believe that he shot himself. He was “murdered by suicide” as was Philip (This was during the Clinton Administration and there were plenty of government officials that died of unusual circumstances).
    When Philip’s father, Capt. Oscar Schneider M.D., died, Philip came into possession of materials, ie letters and photos from the Navy. This was my father-in-law and I met him before he died. The original letters where still in envelopes with old stamps and the address matched the letters. In them it proved that Oscar was involved in examining deceased crew members from the Philadelphia Experiment.. They were being held “against their will” in a psyc ward run by the military in Virginia. Some of them managed to escape, as is mentioned in the letters. Also, there were Glossy original photos from the Navy (they were stamped on the back with numbers and typing). These photos were from “Operation Crossroads” which is when the Navy dropped the Abel and Baker atomic bombs. There were ships at different distances, with sheep and goats, to see what kind of radiation exposure they would have. The men went on these ships after the explosions and were exposed to all of the dust. Oscar later had a brain tumor removed, probably because of this exposure. Oscar had a Cosmic Clearance, which was “for your eyes only” top secret. It was a NATO label. Philip told me that his Rhyolite clearance was also a NATO clearance. Philip got his work because of Oscar’s long time work in the Navy. His brother George Schneider, was also in the Navy, and his sister, Polly, worked for the CIA. Even his mother worked for RKO, which I have heard had some secretive activity. In the photos from the Bikini Atoll there are UFO’s lifting out of the lagoon after the first bomb went off in Operation Crossroads. You could see the water dripping off the ships, escaping the explosions. The head of Operation Crossroads was General Joseph Stillwell. Our daughter just happened to be attending a school in Portland, Oregon with a young boy named Joseph Stillwell. I called the grandfather who was caring for this young boy to ask him if his grandson was related. It turned out that this grandfather was the Nephew of General Stillwell and had actually taken many of the photos from the plane as the bomb was going off. He verified that there were UFO’s going out of the water and he took the photos to prove it. His uncle was also on the plane.
    When Philip started talking out about UFO’s around the United states, on TV and Radio, people would come up to him with Secret stuff, sometimes with photos. One man brought to Philip a photo of the Gunderson Freight Cars that are manufactured in Portland. In this particular freight car there were 115 pairs of “shackles”, which could only mean that they were meant for people and not for cars. After the Morrow Building bombing in Oklahoma City, Philip gave a copy of this photo to the militia in Oklahoma. When there was a Senate hearing to talk with the militia (who were being accused of possible involvement) they asked the senator what this picture was of. They immediately closed the hearing. Philip believed that the government was opening up FEMA camps for 15 million people after “martial law” was announced. The freight cars were for people that did not want to go voluntarily. It also is, according to the Roper Report, about the same number of people that have been implanted with alien devices or have been abducted by Aliens. So YES, Philip did sometimes use other peoples information, because like any good speaker he did “research”, and he was given materials to talk about because others did not want to be involved or were afraid of consequences.
    Philip was very upset about the missing children in the United States. He stated that 1 million children disappeared every year and many were never found. He suspected that because their disappearances were clumped around military bases and deep underground mountain bases that it involved sinister activity. with either aliens or Satanic rites. With the current news today about child trafficking, he may have been right on the button.
    There was the author of “Pandora’s Box” who went with Philip to the Denver Airport. It was with the help of Philip that many symbols were interpreted. His father was a 32nd degree Mason. He had many books about the Mason and Sacred Geometry. He believed that the Denver Airport was a deep underground mountain base. Those books, by the way disappeared after his death.
    I knew the physical and mental condition of Philip. He was paranoid, and I think with good reason. He had cancer that was slowly eating away at his bones. He had a home care housekeeper through the State of Oregon. He had Multiple Sclerosis and would have flare ups. Sometimes he looked just fine, maybe with a body brace, but other times he was in a wheelchair. I saw the wound in his shoulder which was a gun shot wound. He showed it to me soon after he received it, and later in his autopsy photos you can see the wound in his left shoulder. He had over 500 shrapnel wounds on his torso with scars from burns. He had a penis that had been sliced all the way from the base to the tip. He had a major wound from a tracheotomy and he had a cut that ran from his throat to his belly button and which continued below his ribs on both sides.. During the summer time it would break open and ooze. He had to care for his wounds to prevent infection. This was a constant problem. He even showed his scars down his chest in one of his videos. So yes, he had major injuries. He also had three fingers missing from his hand. When I gave birth to our daughter in 1987, he had an operation to repair his throat and chest in the same hospital just one day later. We were released from the hospital the same day.
    In one of Philip’s lectures he talks about how cocaine was brought back into this country in the coffins of men who had been killed during the Vietnam War. He talked about how the drugs were then distributed to targeted populations by the government to support the “black budget”. About 3 months after his death a reporter in LA proved that this was true. The war on drugs wasn’t against the drugs, it was against the cartels that brought the drugs into America and were in “competition” with the government drugs.
    I have written many articles about how Philip died and why I believe it was a murder and not a suicide. Like Ron, Philip was about to write a book about his knowledge with the help of a friend who lived in Seattle, Washington. In fact he had just gotten back from his visit when he died in his apartment in Wilsonville, Oregon. He died 1/10/96 but his body was not found until 1/17/96. His body was green and swollen. The first responders, which were his friend and the landlord believed he had died of a stoke. The sheriff released the body without the Clackamas County Coroner looking at his body (which was against the law). It wasn’t until I questioned the funeral director that he took a look at the body. It was then discovered that he had a surgical tube wrapped around his throat three times and tied in the front. In order for this to happen as a suicide, he would have to wrap the hose around with missing fingers and extensive pain in his shoulders, and then knot it. He then sat on the edge of his bed, and suffocated, falling into his wheel chair. He did not hang himself with the hose, he just sat there. This is not a normal type of death. In one of his lectures he stated that if you hear he has committed suicide you will know that he was murdered. I asked the medical examiner to hold blood samples and urine samples for later testing. They refused to test them for a person who died of a “suicide”. I was told that they would be held for 1 year. 10 months later, when I had located a facility that was willing to get involved in the test, the samples had disappeared. Why did I think that his hands had initially been tied? Because his hands at the wrist were at an odd angle where he laid. If you would raise his arms to his back (he was laying on his front) the wrists would be at the correct angle to being tied.
    It is important to note that many items were missing from his apartment. All of the notes and photographs from his lecture, all of his high math and masonic books, all of the alien specimens, all of his notes for his book (even I had written a chapter), a box of mineral specimens, and his wallet was missing. The police were at first interested in the wallet, but then it “showed up” the next day. Many valuable items were all there, jewelry in a nightstand, gold coins in the closet, money in his wallet. They had already released a body illegally, and the crime scene had already been disturbed. It was just easier to call it a suicide. His brother was supportive to the idea that Philip had been murdered, and he was a Multnomah County Sheriff. Also, Philip had many medications he could have taken to have a “peaceful suicide”, he even had a gun. But instead he chose to die of suffocation, in a sitting position….I don’t think so.
    So was Dulce True? I have to admit that I have no definitive proof that this particular event occurred. I know that Morrison Knudsen was a contractor for underground mountain bases, and I can prove that Philip did work for them. So many other things he talked about were true and accurate. So why not that? He would talk about the machines that would bore holes and create a surface automatically, of the fast moving monorail underground. When asked if he ever rode one, he said no. Now if he was lying, why would he say he never rode one. A liar would probably enjoy giving details of a ride from one coast to another in a fast moving mode of transportation.
    When I first met Philip I noticed that there was an unusual truck with a wood canopy. It had a Canada license plate. Everywhere we went, I would see this truck. Someone wanted us to know that we were being followed. My phone would click when I talked on it, and I eventually went to the FBI. The click’s stopped.
    After I had the memorial service for Philip I took the people who had attended to my home. I wanted them to have the remaining notes and paperwork so that I would not be “bothered”. When I arrived I could tell that items had been moved. My house had been entered. I gave the people the paperwork, and as they were leaving, a black helicopter with no markings was hovering over my house. A person with binoculars was looking out the door, at the people and their cars. The lady that had moved into the house across the street when Philip first moved in to my home, was now moving out after his memorial service. (A watcher perhaps?) OK, I might be paranoid too. But if you had been close to two people who died under unusual circumstances, you might be looking over your back too.


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