Pentagon ordered to re-investigate 1945 crash of an ‘avocado-shaped’ UFO in New Mexico

By Josh Roswell and Chris Sharp, DAIL MAIL, December 29, 2022:



Last week President Biden signed a new military spending bill, amended to incorporate a UFO case from 1945.

The sighting involved a 1945 crash in New Mexico, about 100 miles from Roswell.

Jaques Vallée, a former contractor for the government’s UFO office, wrote a book about the case and described it to DAILY MAIL.

Vallée was the inspiration for François Truffaut’s character in Close Encounters.

The government’s UFO office has been ordered to re-investigate an alleged 1945 crash of a strange object in New Mexico – dubbed the ‘Roswell before Roswell‘.

A new military spending bill signed into law by President Biden last week was specifically amended to incorporate the intriguing case into a historic review of UFO incidents to be conducted by the Department of Defense.

In August 1945 there was a crash of an avocado-shaped ‘craft’ on the edge of the atomic bomb testing site near San Antonio, New Mexico.  

 ‘There was a gouge in the earth as long as a football field, and a circular object at the end of it… It was the color of the old pot my mother was always trying to shine up, a dull metallic color,’ one witness said

The National Defense Authorization Act which passed Congress this month includes a section requiring the Department of Defense’s All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO) to review and prepare a report on all previous government investigations of UFOs dating back to 1945.

The bill’s text previously only went back to 1947, but a late amendment changed it to ’45.

‘I was not involved in the drafting of the legislation, but several of my DC friends were, and they got the date of the investigation pushed back to 1945,’ Vallée told DAILY MAIL.

Vallée and Italian UFO journalist Paola Harris’ 2021 book, TRINITY:  THE BEST KEPT SECRET  was re-released this year with new information.

‘Several of the Congressmen involved have the book that Paola Harris and I wrote about our research at (the alleged crash site called) Trinity.’

Vallée and Italian UFO journalist Harris’s 2021 book, TRINITY:  THE BEST KEPT SECRET was re-released this year with new information, and is mainly based around testimony of three witnesses: a B-25 bomber pilot, and two young sons of a rancher on whose land the UFO supposedly crashed.

The two researchers interviewed the family of Lt. Col William Brothy, who said he revealed in the years after the incident that he was sent out to survey the crash site on August 16, 1945.

‘The first witness was a bomber pilot who was coming in for landing at Alamogordo (the neighboring airbase),’ Vallée told DAILY MAIL.  ‘He was asked by the controllers to look at a communication tower that had lost signal.

‘He told the story to his family.  His son gave us the recollection of what his father had described.

‘Flying over, he saw the tower was bent, as if it had been hit by something very hard.  And then he saw in the vegetation some distance away a large egg-shaped object.  And there were two little kids that he called little Indians, on their horses next to the object.’

Vallée says those two kids were Jose Padilla, 9, and Reme Baca, 7.

Padilla, now 86, became a Highway Patrol officer for 32 years, and Baca, who died in 2013, became a marine and later a senior staffer for Washington Governor Dixy Lee Ray.

The crash was on the edge of the atomic bomb testing site near San Antonio, New Mexico – about 100 miles from the infamous Roswell crash two years later.

They kept their story secret for more than 50 years, at last deciding to come forward in 2003 in an interview with a journalist from their hometown.

In interviews with Vallée and Harris decades after the crash, they described stumbling across the wreckage of a craft while looking for a lost cow on Padilla’s father’s ranch by the Rio Grande on August 16, 1945.

Reme Baca was seven at the time.  He died in 2013.  He was a marine and later a senior staffer for Washington Governor Dixy Lee Ray.

‘We heard this sound and the ground shook,’ Baca said in one interview.  ‘We saw smoke coming from maybe a couple of canyons down… We worked our way down the ridge.

‘There was a gouge in the earth as long as a football field, and a circular object at the end of it… It was the color of the old pot my mother was always trying to shine up, a dull metallic color.’

He said he could feel the heat from the crash ‘through the soles of your shoes’.  Baca said he picked up a piece of foil-like metal that sprung back to its original shape when folded.

‘Strange-looking creatures were moving around inside,’ he added.  ‘They looked under stress.  They moved fast, as if they were able to will themselves from one position to another in an instant.  They were shadowy and expressionless, but definitely living beings.

‘They had big bulgy eyes.  Four foot tall, and they were real thin, needle-thin arms… Their heads looked like a campamocha (praying mantis).

‘They seemed like us – children, not dangerous.  But we were scared and exhausted.

The boys fled home on their horses and told Padilla’s father what they had seen.  Faustino Padilla told them it probably belonged to the Army and to ignore it.  But they persuaded him to check out the site two days later with state policeman Eddie Apodaca.

Baca and Padilla said the ‘craft’ was still there, but the debris was gone, the object covered with dirt, and the ground appeared to have been raked.

The next day an Army sergeant named Avila, showed up at the ranch, asking Faustino if they could cut out his fence, put in a gate and grade a road to the crash site for a tractor-trailer, Baca said.

‘We have one of our experimental weather balloons that inadvertently fell on your property,’ Baca remembered the sergeant saying.

In 2015 Vallée had a spectroscopy analysis performed on the metal panel they said they recovered from the wreckage.  It points to a mundane, man-made origin. 

Over the following week, the two boys snuck out to the site and used binoculars to spy on a unit of Army officers who stood guard, loaded the 25 by 14 foot, roughly five ton ‘avocado-shaped’ object onto a flatbed truck, and covered it with blue tarpaulins, they told Harris.

There was no sign of the creatures they claimed they saw on the 16th.

On the last day, the boys plucked up the courage to sneak up and peek under the tarp while the young, bored soldiers were at lunch.

‘Jose said, ‘I think they’re going to take it tonight.’ I said ‘Yeah, how about a souvenir?’ Baca told Harris.

‘Jose pulls part of the tarp off, exposing the gash on the side of the craft, while I hold the tarp open. Jose climbs into the gash.’

They described ‘ridges’ inside every few feet, ‘silvery colored strands’ like angel hair decorations, and a 2.5ft metal panel attached to the rear wall with pins.

‘No seats or anything,’ Baca said.  ‘It must have been cleaned out, or maybe there weren’t any.  Couldn’t see any instruments, like gauges, clocks, steering wheel, brake pedals, nothing like that.’

The plucky kids grabbed a crowbar from the tractor, used it to rip the large panel off the wall, and scurried off.

They said they hid the metal under the floorboards of a nearby building, and kept quiet about the case, fearing retribution by the Army against their families – especially after officers came to search Faustino’s house.

In interviews with Vallée and Harris decades after the crash, Padilla described stumbling across the wreckage of a craft while looking for a lost cow on Padilla’s father’s ranch by the Rio Grande on August 16, 1945.  

Baca and Padilla eventually moved away and lost contact until 2002 when Baca reconnected with his old friend via a genealogy search.  It was then they decided to tell their story.

The metal is ‘aluminum primarily alloyed to copper and silicon’ the report by Frontier Analysis said, a mix often used for ‘engine crankcases, gas and oil tanks, engine oil pans, typewriter frames, and engine parts.’ The isotopic ratios for the metals in the panel are within the range found on Earth.

The foil-like metal that Baca claimed he picked up has been lost – after he allegedly used it to fix a leaking pipe on the ranch as a boy.

While other researchers have abandoned the case due to the lack of results and paper trail, Vallée says it did not diminish the mystery for him.

‘We have yet to ask what an ordinary, human fragment of some low-tech aluminum gadget was doing aboard a fantastic craft dropping from the sky in the middle of a storm, shattering the Marconi Tower of the White Sands Missile Range as its crew of diminutive insectoids skidded weirdly through the cabin,’ he wrote in his book.

‘You can’t nail an aluminum bracket to the interior wall of a weather balloon, no matter how sophisticated. Every nine-year-old kid in New Mexico knows that.’

Vallée, who worked as a contractor for a previous reincarnation of the government’s UFO office, the Advanced Aerospace Weapon System Applications Program, told DAILY MAIL he is hopeful that a review of the Trinity alleged crash by the new UFO office will turn up further evidence.

‘It will re-open the research on a more historically accurate and significant time scale,’ he said.

And the data scientist believes he knows where AARO investigators should go looking:  the Department of Energy.

‘Reme Baca assisted Dixy Lee Ray in winning the election as governor of Washington in 1976.  She had been chair of the Atomic Energy Commission (1973 to 1975),’ he said.

‘She showed Reme when he was helping her in the campaign, a record of the recovery of the craft.  It was secret, she did not leave it with him.  But she indicated that there was a record in the files of the Atomic Energy Commission.’

Intriguingly, the new defense budget legislation signed into law last week also includes a whistleblower program for reporting ‘deep black’ UFO programs to Congress.

In May, the House Intelligence Committee held its first public hearing on UFOs in 54 years where panel members grilled Deputy Director of Naval Intelligence Scott Bray and Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence and Security Ronald Moultrie.

In May, the House Intelligence Committee held its first public hearing on UFOs in 54 years where panel members grilled Deputy Director of Naval Intelligence Scott Bray (left) and Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence and Security Ronald Moultrie.

An amendment to the 2023 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) gives protections to any whistleblowers coming forward to congress in classified briefings to disclose any previously hidden programs on ‘unidentified anomalous phenomena’ involving ‘material retrieval, material analysis’ and even ‘reverse engineering’ and ‘developmental or operational testing’.

Former UFO office director Lue Elizondo told DAILY MAIL:  ‘This language is truly revolutionary in terms of ensuring the American people can finally get to the bottom of a decades-old mystery.’

Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence, Christopher Mellon, added that the new laws mean AARO is no longer a ‘toothless organization, and now has ‘personnel, authority, resources and strong support from Congress.’

Another NDAA amendment requires the UFO office to compile ‘a written report detailing the historical record of the United States Government relating to unidentified anomalous phenomena’ going back to January 1 1945.

The review will include ‘successful or unsuccessful efforts to identify and track unidentified anomalous phenomena’, and ‘any efforts to obfuscate, manipulate public opinion, hide, or otherwise provide incorrect unclassified or classified information’.

Once Biden signs the bill, AARO director Sean Kirkpatrick will have 540 days to write the report, meaning his deadline will be June 2024.



Many folks seem to dismiss this topic immediately simply because it was taken up by a British tabloid, DAILY MAIL.

However, this is not about DAILY MAIL.   This is about a legitimate item of interest which had been taken up by other sources for many years, including such researchers as Ben Moffett who wrote about it extensively in 2003. (  Also New Mexico’s well-known astronomer Dr. Lincoln La Paz seemed to have been aware about it (

It so happens that DAILY MAIL picked this story up since just recently they had a chance to directly interview the two well-known researchers  (Dr. Jacque Vallee and Paola Harris)  that co-wrote this fascinating book TRINITY:   THE BEST KEPT SECRET, which came out last year.

As far as “re-investigation” is concerned, this will never happen.

My take on this alleged incident of August, 1945, is that while I am quite skeptical of any physical extraterrestrial spacecraft of any kind ever having visited us, I keep an open mind because we still do not know for sure what “reality” is.  The bottom line, to me, is that who are we to determine that this incident was not “staged” by sentient paraphysical, extra-dimensional entities to a handful of select observers (including two children) for reasons yet unknown?   

As Dr. Vallee pointed out, there is no physical evidence left in this incident that it was an extraterrestrial, physical event.  Where was the recovered “craft” taken to?   What happened to the “occupants”?   

So far, absolutely no physical evidence whatsoever.

Yet, he (just like me) believes that this was  (at least to the witnesses)  a real physical incident that took place.  But in this mysterious world, not everything has to be exclusively physical.  There is a possibility that this was a temporarily materialized intrusion into our physical realm and “staged” by unknown entities for reasons yet unknown.

Let’s hear what Dr. Jacques Vallee says about this incident:



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The mysterious Urraca Mesa of northern New Mexico

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by Harper Sullivan, from MY STRANGE NEW MEXICO, February 4, 2020,


Tourists!  Come to New Mexico!  Come to the Land of Enchantment. 

Spend a weekend flying down the slopes of Taos Ski Valley.  Explore the shops of the historic Santa Fe plaza.  Marvel at the vibrant colors of the International Balloon Fiesta.  And stand at the very door of Hell itself—with nothing between you and all its demons but a juniper-scented breeze.

That’s right, folks: the gateway to the underworld swings open right here—in New Mexico—on a lonely, high desert mesa.


That mesa, Urraca Mesa, is a towering, steep-sided, basalt-capped plateau, approximately two miles long by a half-mile wide.  Its slopes and upper ledge rise crowded with ponderosa pines, strewn with hidden ruins and petroglyphs, and populated by wild turkeys, black bears, mountain lions, and the happily noisy urracas—magpies—for which it’s named. 

Rising over the mountains and canyons of the southeastern corner of the Philmont Scout Ranch—a sizeable, Boy Scouts of America-owned campground in northeastern New Mexico—Urraca Mesa contains so much iron and magnetite that lightning strikes it all year round, more than it does anyplace else in the entire state.  This high concentration of magnetic elements has also been blamed for compasses becoming unreliable, mesa-top photographs developing in strange and distorted ways, and a ghostly blue glow sometimes seen along the mesa’s rim.

In 1968, geologist F. Leo Misaqi conducted a study of the myriad abnormal traits in the area’s rocks, and concluded only that, “There is no simple explanation for [the] geochemical anomalies….

The mesa also possesses an extensive and eclectic human history—of Ancestral Puebloan Indians (or Anasazi), Navajos, Apaches, Mexican settlers, mountain men, cowboys, and Boy Scouts—and an extraordinary number of these visitors have claimed to have seen things there that defy comprehension. 

On topographical maps, the bulging, westernmost end of the mostly level Urraca Mesa vaguely resembles a human skull, and in that skull’s eye, a highpoint of the mesa, there is allegedly a portal—a portal to a place referred to by American Indians as Hell, the Underworld, the Netherworld, the Fourth World, and the Fifth Dimension—a portal used to slip from that world into ours.

Certain Navajo medicine men of the area, having studied the mesa’s enigmatic petroglyphs, believe that several hundred years ago—around the time of the sudden disappearance of the region’s Anasazi—an intense battle was fought on top of Urraca Mesa between the people of the Earth and the evil spirits of the Underworld.  Humankind only barely managed to win this battle, before forcing their enemies back into Hell through a spot of ground on Urraca Mesa.   

“Even today the mesa is taboo to local tribes including the Utes and Jicarilla Apaches,” wrote Ken and Sharon Hudnall in Spirits of the Border IV: The History and Mystery of New Mexico.

Following the battle, the ancient Indians of the area charged their most powerful medicine man with watching the doorway—and yet demons and evil spirit creatures have still allegedly made it through, leaving Hell to hunt down the souls of their enemies, drag those into the gateway, and secure them there with them in Hell. 

Many visitors to the mesa today claim to have glimpsed some of these demonic beings—beings such as a three-foot-tall, pitch-black, humanoid form that darts from tree to tree after hikers, before appearing in their tents late at night.  Others claim to have had encounters with historic people and animals that seem to have been altered forever, perhaps by exposure to weird energies or by accidentally wandering through the gateway and into someplace different. 

According to Michael Connelly in Riders in the Sky: The Ghosts and Legends of Philmont Scout Ranch, these include a herd of ghostly horses that can be heard thundering across the sky, and a never-found 1940s-era Boy Scout sometimes seen crying around a campfire.  According to Connelly, when people talk with the scout and volunteer to help him hike down, the boy simply whispers, “I can’t,” and disappears.

Another account, posted on a 2003 online forum by “Amazingracer,” recalls the story of a former Philmont staff member who, while camped out alone atop the mesa, woke up during a late-night rainstorm and saw “a blue vertical line appear a few feet above the ground and then drop like a curtain,” out of which came charging a group of American Indians on horseback.  The story is intriguing, but since it ends with the sole witness running panicked into a barbed-wire fence and then bleeding to death, you really have to wonder how anyone would have heard it.

Many others claim to have seen the old medicine man himself—sometimes dressed as a man, although glowing blue, sometimes disguised as a mountain lion or a raven or a bear, and sometimes in the form of floating orbs of blue light

One modern-day legend, recounted in Lori and Jared Chatterley’s When the Sun Goes Down: A Collection of Philmont Ghost Stories, tells of two early-twentieth-century astronomers conducting a study from two different mesas, Urraca and the nearby Fowler Mesa.  Every other day the two men would meet to check in with each other and compare notes, but every time they met, the Urraca Mesa astronomer seemed moodier and more introspective, talking often about unusual blue lights that kept interfering with his work.  Before long, the man stopped showing up for the scheduled meetings, and when the other astronomer went to find him, all he found was his notebook, detailing an apparent descent into a madness of blue lights, blue glows, a mysterious hum, disembodied chanting, and drumbeats.  The notebook, many versions of this story claim, is now kept on file at Philmont’s headquarters.

Other pieces of local lore tell of four intricately carved wooden “cat totems” placed centuries ago at the four corners of Urraca Mesa by the apparition of the medicine man, placed as charms to keep the more malevolent spirits of the mesa from ever climbing down.  Only two of these totems supposedly remain today, but when the last of them falls, the legends say, our entire world will share in the unknown fate of Urraca Mesa’s first residents.

If or when that happens, and if the stories are true, there will then be no need for visitors to come to New Mexico to see the demons of Hell. 

These demons will be everywhere, and they will find you, and they will drag you here themselves.



The area in question is located south of Cimarron.

From Santa Fe, take I-25 north to Springer, New Mexico.   Then, from Springer take State Rd. 21 west.   Go past Miami.   Then keep going past Miami Lake.   Go past Rayado.   Soon you will see Mesa Urraca Campground in the short distance to the left.   There is a dirt road toward it.  The rest is up to you.



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What could be part of the B-21 ‘family of systems’? – – New Report Offers Some Insight

(ILLUSTRATION) — An artist illustration depicts a U.S. Air Force extended-range B-21 Raider escorted on a mission by armed unmanned next generation air dominance platforms. This fictional bomber features longer, wider wings, and a deeper fuselage that accomodates larger fuel tanks and dual weapons bays that enables the bomber to carry a much larger and varied payload. Mike Tsukamoto/staff; Greg Davis/USAF

Dec. 8, 2022 | By Greg Hadley, AIR & SPACE FORCES MAGAZINE


With the unveiling of the B-21 Raider, speculation and interest in the new bomber have reached a fever pitch, with a first flight still to come in mid-2023. 

But the B-21 won’t just be about the large, flying wing aircraft that rolled out in Palmdale, Calif., on Dec. 2.  Air Force officials have frequently spoken about the Raider becoming the lead element of a so-called “family of systems,” and Air Force Secretary Frank Kendall has made defining that family of systems one of his seven “operational imperatives” for the department.

What exactly will be included in that family remains unknown, but a new research paper from the Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies, informed by an unclassified workshop that gathered Air Force leaders, planners, and operators along with industry partners, offers some insight into what might be considered.

“What we haven’t heard much about is the family of systems that is going to accompany [the B-21].  Just dribs and drabs of information.  So this report might actually help … get a handle on some of the capabilities that might be in that family of systems, including weapons, that could help reduce risk and increase the effectiveness of our combat forces,” said retired Col. Mark Gunzinger, the Mitchell Institute’s director of future concepts and capability assessments and a co-author of the paper.

The three-day workshop, held this summer, was meant in part to develop concepts for what the Air Force calls “autonomous collaborative platforms”—relatively cheap drones that can fly alongside manned aircraft, operating with some level of independence. 

The most high-profile example of these ACPs has been the Air Force’s planned collaborative combat aircraft, intended mainly for fighters.  But Caitlin Lee, one of the workshop’s leads and co-author of the  paper, noted that in discussions with the Air Force Research Laboratory, officials have said they envision “a whole family of potential capabilities and a range of different mission sets that this could actually involve.”

The workshop was aimed at exploring one of those mission sets—the long-range penetrating strike mission that the B-21 will take on.  Three teams of experts were tasked with designing up to three kinds of unmanned aircraft to aid the bomber in strikes against an air base, a maritime threat, and a transporter erector launcher in a hypothetical conflict with China in 2030.

In all three cases, no constraints were put on what kind of aircraft the teams could create, but none of them opted for an “exquisite unmanned fighter” or “exquisite unmanned bomber” that could match the B-21’s range, Lee noted.  That’s in line with Kendall’s own comments this past July that the department had determined that a long-range uncrewed escort for the B-21 was cost-prohibitive.

Instead, the three teams created a mix of UAVs, most with a range of a few thousand miles, a few launched from other bombers.  And the capabilities given to each varied as well—some designed to provide defensive counterair; others as intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance platforms gathering data; others for suppression of enemy air defenses; and still others as escorts.

“Two-thirds of the teams design ACPs for counterair, which really speaks to the need for survivability for these penetrating strike packages, where they’re operating in this highly contested air environment,” Lee said. “ … And then ISR was another really important mission.  Three of the ACPs had a primary role for that, but I think all ACPs had sensors of some kind or another, because that tracking, especially mobile targets, in contested airspace is a real challenge.”

Just as notably, the teams sought large quantities of ACPs and were willing to trade off some capability for quantity, Lee noted.

“If the Air Force is able to buy larger numbers of lower-cost ACPs, that could really drive down risk,” Lee said. “And it’s all about the modest platforms in large numbers versus trying to put more sophisticated capabilities to get that operational advantage.”

The exact rundown of the intended missions and numbers of drones the teams in the workshop decided on are as follows:

Maritime threat

ACP 1: Defensive counterair, 40

ACP 2: ISR, communications relay, 10

ACP 3: Strike, 20

Transporter erector launcher

ACP 1: Escort, suppression of enemy air defenses, 10

ACP 2: ISR, Suppression of enemy air defenses (SEAD), offensive counterair, 144 (24 per bomber)

ACP 3: ISR, SEAD, offensive counterair, 120 (20 per bomber)

Air base attack

ACP 1: Escort, 8

ACP 2: SEAD, 16 initially, increased to 32

ACP 3: Jamming, 8

In all three cases, the workshop experts determined that the addition of these uncrewed teammates reduced risk for the missions.  But the authors did note that for the air base attack, in particular, the risk wasn’t driven down as much because the current class of precision-guided munitions require bombers to fly extremely close to targets, assuming a permissive environment.

“So that is a collateral finding and recommendation from this effort—that the Air Force needs to develop those mid-range weapons that will optimize the strike power and lethality of our penetrating assets,” Gunzinger said.

Indeed, some of the ACPs designed by the teams in the workshops were essentially loitering munitions—designed to fly above targets and then attack, only to be used once.  And as the B-21 continues to develop, new kinds of munitions could very well join that family of systems, too, Lee noted.

“This family could have all kinds of different capabilities in it, whether it’s space assets, munitions, and potentially ACPs,” Lee said.




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