Phil Schneider’s Dulce base “delusions”


As I stated elsewhere many times before, I would definitely like to believe in the reality of the UFO phenomenon and that the phenomenon seems to continue to be reported from time to time even in places like Dulce, New Mexico, which is no exception.   As of yet, we do not know the true nature of this strange phenomenon.   But I do not believe in the fabricated tales of con artist Phil Schneider and his claims about the Dulce base whose physical existence has never been proven beyond a shadow of doubt.


The numerous lies and fabrications of Phil Schneider are so multiple and so atrocious that they need to be exposed.

There is a website called Phil Schneider Memorial.

They’re actually calling it a website for a murdered patriot.

If Phil Schneider is a patriot of anything, he’s a patriot of disinformation.

He started giving lectures from 1995, mainly among “survival” groups.

He usually started off his talks by saying that the major reason for going public was that his best friend, Ron Rummel, was murdered in a park and had been in the Air Force as an intelligence agent.

Ron Rummel had never been in the Air Force, as far as we know.

Rummel was found in a park in Portland in 1993.

The police had determined that he had committed suicide by shooting himself in the mouth with a pistol on August 6, 1993.

Ron, Philip and 5 other individuals had been collaborating on a little magazine called “The Alien Digest”:

(CLICK ABOVE FOR ENLARGEMENT – – Creston was Ron Rummel)

It was starting to get a fairly wide circulation when Ron was found in the park.

Phil Schneider, with his one-track conspiracy mind-set, immediately decided that his friend had been murdered.

Because this story was posted when the Internet was just beginning in the ‘90s, it has taken on a life of its own and been copied and circulated over and over.

Circular knowledge is not knowledge at all, it is just repeating what someone else says.

By the way, the proof of Schneider’s lies in the math.

Take Phil’s age and his time on various jobs he claimed to do, certainly try and consider time at college for his supposed degrees, which never existed anyway so scratch the college time and you’ll see that he would have been 17 years old when he went to work for the government.  Phil stated that he worked in Dulce in 1979.

He claimed he was one of three people to survive the 1979 fire fight between the Greys and the US intelligence and military at the Dulce underground base.

Phil was found dead in January of 1996, supposedly due to what some one-track conspiracy-minded folks like to claim as an “execution style murder”.

The  Clackamas County Coroner’s office finally concluded that it was suicide.

Schneider was not murdered.

Schneider had suffered from multiple physical illnesses  (brittle bone syndrome – osteoporosis, cancer and self-inflicted injuries.)

He had intense chronic pain all of the time.

But above all, Phil Schneider suffered from self-inflicting, self-mutilating psychological disorder, mental instability and delusive illness.

Here is his Social Security disability income (SSI):


An autopsy was performed at the Multnomah County Medical Examiner’s office in Portland, Oregon by Dr. Gunson, and she determined that Philip had committed suicide by wrapping a rubber catheter hose three times around his neck, and half-knotting in front.

The late Gabe Valdez who was the State Patrol Officer in charge of the Dulce area for many years, also stated that Schneider’s death was a suicide, after examining the autopsy report:

(ABOVE – – an excellent book written by Gabe Valdez’s son, Greg Valdez, in which he exposes Phil Schneider as a fraud)


Cynthia Schneider Drayer was the person who actually came up with the murder theory.

Cynthia didn’t get this idea from actual evidence but from her mother, who had a psychic vision and concluded that Phil was murdered.

Cynthia also claimed that her dad, Frank Martain, was killed in Albuquerque in 1952 as part of another conspiracy involving the government.

Her inconsistent story also claimed that Phil’s hands were tied when he was found dead and then later claimed they were by his side.

Her story has many inconsistencies, making Phil’s involvement in Dulce extremely unlikely and not credible.

Cynthia Drayer quickly started requesting money in her correspondence with Gabe Valdez because, she claimed, Phil did not have life insurance.

Cynthia has provided much of the rumors about Phil.

There are claims that Phil was killed with piano wire, but the autopsy report clearly indicates that he died with surgical tubing around his neck.

The piano wire theory was part of the psychic vision and not actual evidence.

Take caution with any website or person claiming he was killed with piano wire, because he was not.”



Phil Schneider did not tell his bogus story till 1995.

Phil had never heard of “Project Gasbuggy”.

(ABOVE – – schematic drawing of Project Gasbuggy, conducted by the Atomic Energy Commission on December 10, 1967, about 22 miles southwest of Dulce, New Mexico to ease the flow of natural gas in the area)

Yet Schneider claimed to be a knowledgeable “geologist” and explosive expert.

Schneider was never able or willing to prove his allegations, such as showing the entrance to the Dulce base or where tunnels he drilled were located.

Phil Schneider repeated information about underground bases that was already in print.

Phil Schneider quoted “word for word” material already written by other researchers:

(ABOVE – – another con artist Cherry Hinkle who initially went by “Anne West”)

(ABOVE – – the alleged Thomas E. Castello, whose existence as a Dulce “base” security guard has never been documented and proven – – the Dulce “base” itself, physically, has never been proven to have ever existed)

(ABOVE — the late Paul Bennewitz of Albuquerque, New Mexico who first became convinced in 1979 of the existence of the Dulce underground base under the Archuleta Mesa)

(ABOVE – – John Lear, propagator of “alien myths”)

(ABOVE – -another con artist, Al Bielek)

(ABOVE – – BRANTON, a.k.a., Alan B. deWalton, author of “Dulce Wars”)

(ABOVE – – Tal Levesque, a.k.a., Jason Bishop III, early promoter of the Dulce Base myth and originator of the underground tunnels map of the United States):

(ABOVE – – Bob Lazar, who was said to have manipulated his buddy John Lear‘s insinuation of 1989 that in 1975, there was an altercation between U.S. Delta Forces and alien entities in a U.S. underground facility, suggesting that it was under Groom Lake/Area 51)


In other words, Phil Schneider practically “hijacked” Bob Lazar’s dubious insinuation of 1989  that in 1975 there was an altercation between a U.S. elite military force and alien entities in an underground base, suggested to be under Groom Lake/Area 51   (John Lear credited this allegation to Bob Lazar, Lear’s good buddy)   and then Schneider, in turn, conveniently made himself a “protagonist” in a new fabricated tale  (changing the location to Dulce, New Mexico and the year to 1979)  since no one else had done it before.

Phil Schneider did not bring forward any new information, not already in circulation.

Schneider did put on a good show for any “newbie” to the Info.

He did tie together many aspects of the material.

He did correlate the data in a dramatic “story” format that flowed well.

He put a personal face on all the material and that was compelling.

Phil said “I got shot in the chest with one of the aliens’ weapons, which was a box on their body, that blew a hole in me and gave me a nasty dose of cobalt radiation.  I have had cancer because of that”.

Radioactive cobalt is used for commercial and medical purposes.  Exposure to high levels of cobalt can result in lung and heart effects and dermatitis.  Phil may have gotten his exposure to cobalt by undergoing radiation therapy treatment of deep-seated cancer.

But, there are no “Cobalt Weapons” except in “Flash Gordon” stories.

Later, Phil said “right now I am dying of cancer that I contracted because of my work for the federal government”.

Phil said he had a “Rhyolite-38” clearance factor – one of the highest in the world.

Rhyolite was a top-secret surveillance satellite system developed at TRW.   Rhyolite is referred in SIGINT (Signal Intelligence)  satellites.  Phil was not involved with this type of work.

No, he did not have a Rhyolite clearance.

No, Phil Schneider was nothing more than a narcissistic liar and fabricator.

But one thing Schneider succeeded was in staging his own “murder” as a last resort in order to relieve himself of physical pain and, at the same time, creating a legacy of immortal personality cult among many of the brainwashed, gullible folks who inhabit the world of Ufology.


Yes, this information  (Norio Hayakawa’s information)  agrees with what I found out from Phil’s brother and sister, and friends of Ron Rummel, and other friends of Phil’s.  Thank you for sharing.  It is so easy for information to circulate round and round on the internet.

It was back in the late 1990’s when I called Phil’s brother George on the phone who was working then at the Portland River Patrol and he had his sister, Polly send me a letter also.  The Schneider family came from Russia in the late 1800’s and were Jewish, and the family was deeply hurt when Phil lied and said his father was a German U-Boat commander during WWII, when in reality his father was a medical officer in the US Navy.  His uncle is an attorney in Portland.  I think I did this research in 1996, 22 years ago, so a whole new generation is now reading all this stuff that has taken on a life of it’s own.  Separating the BS from the truth is difficult, but well worth it.  Norio, we moved back to NJ in 2012.  Good to hear from you again.


From G. Clinton:

What I know about Phil Schneider:


“This morning in the state of boredom I decided to look up and see if I can find anything about people I used to know on Google.

Imagine my surprise to find that there was a cult of Phil Schneider who I knew very well in 1977 though 1980.

I moved to Portland, Oregon in 1977,  unemployed and very short on funds.  I moved into a very cheap rooming house

Shortly after I moved in,  Phil Schneider moved in.  It didn’t take me very long at all to realize that he was a liar.  And I thought he was mentally ill.

His missing fingers:

He told me that he had lost them when he was working in eastern Oregon as a lineman when he had some sort of mishap on a pole  (frankly I no longer recall the details; it has been nearly 40 years).

His chest wound:

I took him to the hospital.

One day as I was talking to other roomers in the common room, Phil came down the stairs with blood on his shirt saying he’d been shot.  A story he quickly changed to somehow being inflicted by a passing car having losing a snow stud which struck him in the chest causing the wounds.  No one present believed him, of course, but it was certainly not the time for discussions of his credibility.  I took him to the hospital.

After a short time one of the ER doctors came up to me and asked if I had any influence with Phil.  I said,”not really.”  The doctor said that they would like to keep him for a psych evaluation but had no grounds to do so.  I was asked to try to convince Phil to voluntarily submit.

At this point and having my own suspicions I said to the doctor, ” you suspect it’s self-inflicted?”  The doctor said, yes.

I did talk to Phil a little bit, of course he refused.

I wish I could remember which hospital in Portland it was.  Unfortunately I just don’t.  But there should be records.

This happened in possibly late 77 more likely 78 perhaps even early 79.

There is more I could talk about.  But none of it would be particularly germaine.

By the time I parted company with Phil, entirely, probably sometime in 1980, I was of the very solid opinion that Phil was disturbed and probably a danger to himself but not others   (I should note here that I’m completely unqualified in any clinical sense to say these things.)

Now I know that no one has any particular reason to give my testimony any credibility.

But, there it is.  I hope that this may help slightly for some people to be suspicious of anything he said.  I certainly was and am.

Phil Schneider was not a horrible person.  He was certainly at some level delusional.  He was for a short time a very flawed friend of mine.”


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There are newly released (via FOIA FBI) docs that show how Phil lost his fingers.  He cut the off himself while in a mental health facility.

On March, 1975, an acquaintance of Phil Schneider turned him into the FBI in Oregon.   Phil claimed to have been attempting to build a nuclear device, and had radioactive device, and had radioactive materials.

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The illusive S-4, nowhere to be found by Papoose Lake, 10 miles south of Area 51


(Illustration, courtesy of Agent D and Agent K of Special Investigative Reports: Part 1:  Area 51 and S-4)….Please see their link next to the video on S-4)

Except for some strong imagination, such as this illustration above,

Everybody knows that in 1989, with the arrival of Bob Lazar, Area 51 became the ‘de-facto’ alien base story to the believers.

However, Bob Lazar never claimed he worked at Area 51.  His claim was that he worked temporarily at a facility he called S-4, allegedly 10 miles south of Area 51, by Papoose Lake.  In other words he claimed he worked at S-4, only via Area 51.

Yet, the illusive S-4 (Site 4) is nowhere to be found by Papoose Lake, south of Area 51 except in a “modified” air chart originating from John Lear:

S-4 1
In Nevada, the only recognized Site 4 is in the Electronic Combat Ranges of Tonopah Test Range, Nevada:

S-4 Nevada

S-4 Nevada 3

S-4 Nevada 2
In Southern California there is a Site 4 (Northrop Grumman) at the Air Force Plant 42 in Palmdale where the B-2A was in development and construction.   (Presently operated by Lockheed and Boeing for JSF program):

S-4 Plant 42
For those who are into science fiction, here is a short video about the imaginary S-4 by Papoose Lake:



Special Investigation Reports from Agent D and Agent K:



The beginning of Area 51 disinformation campaign:


1988 and 1989 may have been the beginning of some intentional disinformation campaign launched by part of the DOD/Aerospace industry.

The basis  for all this may have been the development of better stealth coating technologies than in the previous years, with the use of better composite materials.   It seems to me that the U.S. made certain that none of these technologies went into Russian (as well as Chinese) hands.

It is quite possible that a “laughter curtain” was created linking Are 51 to “aliens” and “alien technologies” as a convenient “cover story”.  PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING STORY:




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The AMOCO Alien, a classic from 1988 and the beginning of Area 51 disinformation campaign


Here is a classic from the past, a very clever advertisement.  It’s the AMOCO advertisement and the alien:

In November of 1988,  AMOCO (THORNELL Advanced Aerospace Composites, Inc.) placed a full-page advertisement in Aviation Week and Space Technology magazine headlined “Technology so advanced it will help you answer some big questions.”


Strangely, this advertisement appeared on page 51….out of all the pages of that issue!

Across from the page was a full-page color photo of an alien head and shoulders  with his four-fingered hand raised in a gesture of friendship.

Spokespersons for AMOCO said this is a photo of a ten-inch model.

The curious thing was that 1988 and 1989 may have been the beginning of some intentional disinformation campaign launched by the DOD/Aerospace Industry.

The basis for all this may have been the development of better stealth coating technologies than in the previous years, with the use of better composite materials.

It seems to me that the U.S. made certain that none of these technologies went into Russian or Chinese hands.

It’s quite possible that a “laughter curtain” was created linkng Area 51 to “aliens” and “alien technologies”.


In October of 1988, FOX-TV aired its “UFO Cover-Up Live” program (during which Area 51 was briefly mentioned for the first time).


According to Robbie Graham, “the stars of the show were William Moore and Jamie Shandera, who here introduced the world to their Aviary ‘informants,’ Falcon and Condor, who appeared in the show in silhouette and with their voices electronically distorted.
As if things weren’t mysterious enough already, the silhouetted ‘Falcon’ was not the real Falcon, but was, in fact, Richard Doty, who was standing in for his boss, Harry Rositzke.
It was later learned that Rositzke was sat in the studio audience all along, silently watching the whole thing unfold.
‘Condor’ would later be revealed to be former USAF Captain Robert Collins, who, like Doty, had also been stationed at Kirtland Air Force Base“.

“Between them, Moore, Shandera, ‘Falcon’ (Doty), and Condor discussed MJ-12, UFO crash retrievals (including Roswell), and the relationship between the US government and two Extraterrestrial Biological Entities or “EBEs,” dubbed EBE-1 and EBE-2, as well as alien biology and culture (including the EBEs’ love of strawberry ice cream and ancient Tibetan music!).
In its pop-cultural blink-and-you-miss-it debut, Area 51 was also fleetingly mentioned in text form.
This was no accident, as the following year Area 51 would serve as the focus of the next chapter of the secret keepers’ finely tailored overarching UFOlogical narrative.
UFO Cover Up Live served to crystalize and synthesize all elements of the emerging UFO ‘core story’ which had been sown into the UFO community by government spooks up to that point”.

In 1989 Bob Lazar suddenly appeared on the scene……probably just a coincidence!!


Or, was it?

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Misinterpretations of Area 51 – – a social, cultural and psychological phenomenon, far removed from reality

A-51 US Marine Corps fo hire - C.V.

(photo, courtesy of a “U.S. Marine Corps for hire” – C.V.)

It seems so astounding just to think that in the past 30 years or so, Area 51 has transformed itself from an obsure R & D and testing facility at Groom Lake, Nevada, to the world’s most well-known ‘secret base’, bar none!!

In the mid to the late 1950’s, this location so remote and unknown to the world was not even officially CLASSIFIED initially, according to military aviation historian, Peter Merlin:

It was then a CIA managed operating base.

The term Area 51 was not even officially used by the Air Force even later on (and even to this day) because it was simply a designation initially created by the Atomic Energy Commission (today’s Department of Energy) to describe various parcels in the Nevada Test Site.

Until recently, there was only one official name for the facility used by the U.S. government:  “AN OPERATING BASE NEAR GROOM LAKE”.  Notice that the government did not even state that the base was at Groom Lake.  It only stated that it was “near” Groom Lake!!

A-51 Paglen

(photo, courtesy of Trevor Paglen)

It seems that the government did not even officially use AFFTC-DET 3 as a designation for the area.  (Air Force Flight Test Center Detachment 3,  a managerial umbrella of Edwards Air Force Base in southern California).  Recently, however, AFFTC-DET 3 has been renamed to AFTC-DET 3  (Air Force Test Center).

(The exception was when a Security Manual for security personnel was printed in the late 1980s.  They did use the designation DET-3, alluding to the AFFTC).  (Presently, AFTC)

Security Manual

(courtesy of Glenn Campbell)

It was around 1987 when rumors slowly began to circulate among some researchers that the base, among other projects such as hyper-sonic spy planes, may even have been test-flying a recovered spacecraft of extraterrestrial origin.

In 1988 Area 51 was mentioned briefly by name in a nationwide 2-hour FOX TV Special entitled:  UFO COVER-UP LIVE.


Then in 1989, with the arrival of Bob Lazar, Area 51 became the ‘de-facto’ alien base story to the believers.  However, Bob Lazar never claimed that he worked at Area 51. His claim was that he worked at a facility called S-4, allegedly 10 miles south of Area 51, by Papoose lake.  In other words he claimed he worked at S-4, via Area 51.  The rest is history, as everyone knows.

Today it seems that the only major personality that still fully supports the Bob Lazar story is Las Vegas newscaster (KLAS-TV) George Knapp who rose to fame because of his initial introduction of Lazar to the world through his Eyewitness News reports.  NEW YORK MAGAZINE reporter described Knapp as a “debonair raconteur”:

John Lear's version

(It was John Lear who first started the rumor that there was an S-4 facility by Papoose Lake, 10 miles south of Area 51 where Bob Lazar allegedly worked….this modified “air chart” was created by John Lear)


(Except for some strong imagination, such as this illustration above,
The illusive S-4 (Site 4) is nowhere to be found by Papoose Lake, south of Area 51 except in a “modified” air chart originating from John Lear.
In Nevada, the only recognized Site 4 is in the Electronic Combat Ranges of Tonopah Test Range, Nevada.
In Southern California there is a Site 4 (Northrop Grumman) at the Air Force Plant 42 in Palmdale where the B-2A was in development and construction.
For those who are into science fiction, here is a short video about imaginary S-4 by Papoose Lake:


A strange rumor started in 1997  (that resulted from a misinformed article that appeared on POPULAR MECHANICS magazine) that Area 51 had closed its doors and had move to Utah.  This rumor still seems to be believed by some folks.

Contrary to that unfounded rumor, Area 51 had never moved its operations elsewhere.

In fact, today it seems to be expanding.  It is definitely alive and well.

employees parking lot

(Click and enlarge above photo – -Area 51 employees’ parking lot at URS Terminal for commuter airline “Janet” at McCarran International Airport in Las Vegas, Nevada, is constantly full)

And it seems to go hand in hand (probably in a working relationship) with the newly designated NEVADA NATIONAL SECURITY SITE (N2S2), the former Nevada Test Site, Area 51′s next door neighbor and a growing testing range designated for a variety of weapons testing and training programs (even including such as anti-terrorist weapons development and training).


Today Area 51 is a sprawling complex that almost resembles a small city with so many structures that are easily visible even with a decent set of binoculars from atop Tikaboo Peak, 26 miles away.

It is estimated that as of 2015, anywhere from 1800 to 2200 employees continue to work at the growing base in diverse, highly compartmentalized programs conducted by at least a dozen defense contractors.  Yes, this is the reality.

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(a conglomerate company called JT4, a joint venture of Raytheon and AECOM including its subsidiary URS,  handles the personnel procurement for such complexes as Area 51)  (their website is

However, at the same time, Area 51 has solidly (and CONVENIENTLY for the government) entrenched itself in America’s subculture that includes a segment of the population’s die-hard belief in UFOs and Aliens.


Yes, it has become a social, cultural and psychological phenomenon, far removed from reality but much needed for some folks who may feel the urge to believe in something  (i.e., ‘aliens’ who are working with our government secretly in places like Area 51, will soon reveal themselves to us and help us solved all these human problems), especially in these troubling, uncertain age of global economic, social and political crises.

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To the mainstream, it may seem quite amazing that there are still some folks that actually believe that somehow the base is connected with Alien Technology!!

(Of course, some may rightly say that ultimately we do not know for sure, since there is no proof to support that belief nor is there proof that such a thing is not there).



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