Phil Schneider and his Dulce base nonsense
There is absolutely no physical evidence whatsoever of the existence of a Dulce underground base. I cannot help but conclude that Phil Schneider was nothing but a deluded con artist.
Phil was a self mutilator and had cut his thumb off with a hack saw in the basement of his father’s house on the day of his sister’s wedding. Phil did none of things that he claimed, was not a geologist, had never worked for any of those companies he claimed he worked, and could not keep a job very long, because of his mental instability. There are untold number of people in the U.S. receiving SSI because of mental problems. They are unable to get regular jobs. It is indeed a sad thing. But it should be understandable.
He married after telling all these stories and that is why his wife believed them.
He usually started off his talks by saying that the major reason for going public was his best friend was murdered in a park and had been in the Air Force.
He had never been in the Air Force. Because this story was posted when the Internet was just beginning in the 90’s it has taken on a life of its own and been copied and circulated over and over.
Circular knowledge is not knowledge at all, it is just repeating what someone else says.
When Phil’s father died, Phil stole Navy blank letterhead paper from his dad and created letters using that stock and circulated and showed it to people at his conferences.
Phil and his friend who he said was in the Air Force created a newsletter and were doing research like all of us about UFO’s etc.
So why he went off the deep end and started telling all these stories is a mystery.
Phil Schneider was found dead and it was ruled a suicide.
(I had a chance to look at the Coroner’s death/autopsy report which was obtained by the late Gabe Valdez, New Mexico State Patrol officer in charge of the entire Dulce region for many years…..Gabe Valdez had also come to the same conclusion and agreed with the Coroner’s report that the dead was ruled a suicide)
from Greg Valdez’s excellent book DULCE BASE. (Greg Valdez is the middle son of the late Gabe Valdez, New Mexico State Patrol Officer in charge of the Dulce area for many years):
“Cynthia Dryer was the person who actually came up with the murder theory.
Cynthia didn’t get this idea from actual evidence but from her mother, who had a psychic vision and concluded that Phil was murdered.
Cynthia also claimed that her dad, Frank Martain, was killed in Albuquerque in 1952 as part of another conspiracy involving the government.
Her inconsistent story also claimed that Phil’s hands were tied when he was found dead and then later claimed they were by his side.
Her story has many inconsistencies, making Phil’s involvement in Dulce extremely unlikely and not credible.
Cynthia Dryer quickly started requesting money in her correspondence with Gabe Valdez because, she claimed, Phil did not have life insurance.
Cynthia has provided much of the rumors about Phil.
There are claims that Phil was killed with piano wire, but the autopsy report clearly indicates that he died with surgical tubing around his neck.
The piano wire theory was part of the psychic vision and not actual evidence.
Take caution with any website or person claiming he was killed with piano wire, because he was not.”
I highly recommend Greg Valdez’ excellent book, “DULCE BASE”.
By the way, as far as the allegation that there is a joint U.S./alien underground base under Archuleta Mesa is concerned, there is absolutely no credible evidence for it. Phil Schneider’s story, no matter how fascinating it is, is simply his own personal account, with no credible documentary evidence whatsoever.
Moreover, Phil Schneider was never a part of the initial Dulce base rumors.
However he had already read many articles concerning the alleged Dulce Base by the time he came out into the scene in 1995 and started giving lectures.
(Phil Schneider no doubt became familiar with the stories of some of the enigmatic personalities behind the initial Ducle underground base rumors)
It was only in 1989 that Bob Lazar first came out with the story that there was an altercation between the U.S. military and “alien entities” in an underground installation. Lazar never specified any location.
Phil Schneider also heard about the Bob Lazar story.
Apparently, knowing that no one had yet come up with any claim of personal involvement in the alleged 1979 “altercation”, he conveniently cast himself into the scene, claiming that he was a survivor of the Dulce “Wars”.
In other words, “inspired” by Lazar’s tale, mentally unstable con artist Schneider somehow seemed to have succeeded in concocting his fanstastic tale.
It’s a brilliant fiction that has captivated a gullible segment of the so-called ‘UFO’ community. It would make a great Hollywood movie.
I would categorize him as one that suffered from a mental delusion:
Here is an interesting comment from “Questal” (Jason Bishop III, a.k.a., Tal Levesque, a.k.a., TAL), one of the original promoters of the Dulce Base story:
“Phil Schneider claims he was one of three people to survive the 1979 fire fight between the large Greys and the US intelligence and military at the Dulce underground base.
Phil was found dead, January 1996, due to what some people like to claim “appears to be an execution style murder”.
Seven months prior to his death , Schneider did a lecture on the forces he had discovered at Dulce.
Tim Swartz writes that “Clackamas County Coroner’s office initially attributed Philip Schneider’s death to a stroke.”
Schneider was NOT murdered.
He suffered multiple physical illnesses (brittle bone syndrome – osteoporosis, cancer, injuries – Philip had missing fingers on his left hand).
He had intense chronic pain all of the time.
Officially, suicide was listed as the cause of death.
An autopsy was performed at the Multnomah County Medical Examiner’s office in Portland, Oregon by Dr. Gunson, and she determined that Philip had committed suicide by wrapping a rubber cathater hose three times around his neck, and half-knotting it in front.
Phil told a nice story.
Phil Schneider did not tell his BOGUS Story till about 1995.
Phil had never heard of “Project Gasbuggy“. Yet he claimed to be a knowledgable “Geologist” and explosives expert.
Schneider was never able or willing to prove his allegations (e.g. showing the entrance to Dulce Base or where Tunnels he drilled were located).
Phil Schneider did repeat info about the Underground bases that was ALREADY in Print.
Phil Schneider did quote “word for word” material ALREADY written by other researchers.
Phil Schneider did NOT bring forward ANY new info, not already in circulation.
Phil Schneider DID put on a good show, for any NEWBIE to the Info.
He DID tie together many aspects of the material.
He did Correlate the Data into a Dramatic “Story” format that flowed well.
He put a personal face on all the material and that was compelling.
But, still he was weaving together lies and information already in circulation.
Phil Schneider was connected to another Bull-Shit Con artist…. Al Bielek.
He said, “Richard Souder, a Ph-D architect, has risked his life by talking about this. He worked with a number of government agencies on deep underground military bases.”
Well. Richard’s name is Sauder and he NEVER “worked with a number of government agencies on deep underground military bases.”
Phil said, “They have laser drilling machines that can drill a tunnel seven miles long in one day.”
That is CRAP.
Phil said, “The average depth of these bases is over a mile…”
That is CRAP.
Phil said, “They are all between 2.66 and 4.25 CUBIC miles in size.”
That IS REALLY Crap.
Phil said, “My Father, Otto Oscar Schneider, fought on both sides of the war. He was originally a U-boat captain, was captured and repatriated in the United States. ”
The simple answer to this one is that there was no U-boat commander in WWII with that name.
Only 2 commanders with that last name in the war; Herbert Schneider died while in command of U-522 and Manfred Schneider only commander the small XXIII boat U-4706 for the last 3 months of the war, never on patrol. This story is just that, a story.
Phil said, ” He (Phil’s father) was involved with different kinds of concerns, such as the A-bomb, the H-bomb and the Philadelphia Experiment. He invented a high-speed camera that took pictures of the first atomic tests at Bikini Island on July 12, 1946. I have original photos of that test, the photos show UFO’s fleeing the bomb site at a high rate of speed. ”
Oscar Schneider was a Captain in the United States Navy, worked in nuclear medicine.
PHIL did have photos from Operation Crossroads.
His father died in 1993, Philip discovered the photographs in his father’s basement. But…NO test was done on July 12, 1946. The Crossroads tests were the fourth and fifth nuclear explosions (following the Trinity test and the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki). * Test Able, was on 1 July 1946. * Test Baker, was on 25 July 1946
Phil said, ‘I got shot in the chest with one of their weapons, which was a box on their body, that blew a hole in me and gave me a nasty dose of cobalt radiation. I have had cancer because of that.”
Radioactive cobalt is used for commercial and medical purposes. Exposure to high levels of cobalt can result in lung and heart effects and dermatitis. Phil may have gotten his exposure to cobalt by undergoing radiation the therapy treatment of deep-seated cancer.
But, there are NO “Cobalt Weapons” except in “Flash Gordon” stories.
Later, Phil said, “Right now I am dying of cancer that I contracted because of my work for the federal government. ”
Phil said, he had “a Ryolite-38 clearance factor – one of the highest in the world.”
Ryolite was a Top Secret surveillance satellite system developed at TRW. Rhyolite refers to SIGINT (signal intelligence) satellites. Phil was NOT involved with this type of work.
He did NOT have a Ryolite clearance.
Later, Phil said, ” I cut up my security card and sent it back to the government”.
Too bad, there goes another thing that Could have been useful to his story (lets say “his Lies“.)
Phil said, ” “Saddam Hussein killed 3.5 million Kurdish people….”
WRONG…..try more like 5000 civilians.
Phil said, That Government Agents asked him NOT to show the “Classified” photos of “Operation Crossroads” NUKE Tests, in public.
Phil showed the “authentic” Original Photos any way and after his death…the Photos were “Missing”.
Phil was a friend of Ron Rummel.
Ron was found in a park in Portland in Sept. 1993 (according to Cynthia Schneider Drayer).
The police believed that he had committed suicide by shooting himself in the mouth.
Ron, Philip, and 5 other people had been collaborating on a little magazine called “The Alien Digest”.
It was starting to get a fairly wide circulation, when Ron was found in the park.
Philip felt that his friend had been murdered.
By the way, for more on Jason Bishop III (a.k.a., Tal Levesque, a.k.a., TAL), click and READ:
THE MYSTERIOUS JASON BISHOP III (a.k.a., Tal Levesque, a.k.a., TAL), one of the original promoters of the “Dulce Base” story
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