My association with the late William Cooper, author of “Behold A Pale Horse”


(“Behold A Pale Horse”  by William Cooper)


My association with Milton William “Bill” Cooper goes back to the summer of 1989 when I first met him in West Los Angeles and my interaction with him went on intermittently throughout the mid 90’s.  The last time I was next to him was when he was in a closed casket at his funeral service in Arizona.  It was quite an emotional day for me.


It was on a typical, mild but clear Arizona morning of November 15, 2001 when a former conspiracy talk radio host and video producer, Anthony J. Hilder and myself, both from Los Angeles and another conspiracy talk show host from Phoenix arrived at the Community Presbyterian Church of a small country town of Springerville, located on a high plateau in Eastern Arizona.

It was around 8:30 a.m. and there was just a sprinkling of people in the foyer of the church.  We all drove in to this sleepy country town with my van to attend the funeral service for the late Bill Cooper who was shot to death on November 6, 2001 by Apache County Sheriff deputies in a confrontation that took place in front of Bill’s home atop a hill in the nearby town of Eagar.  One deputy was seriously injured in that confrontation when Bill fired a round to his head.

We had expected more attendees to the service which was to start at 9:00 a.m.  Soon the closed casket of Bill arrived and was set up in the front in the sanctuary.  It was not a formal religious service.  Before the service started, we had a briefing by the officiating person.  By the time the service started, there were around 85 persons seated in the pews. Some of the attendees were from the Midwestern states, some were from the East Coast.  A few, such as us, were from California.  Others were from other Southwestern states and the rest were local folks.

It was a simple, informal service with a prayer in the beginning, followed by a short biography of Bill, followed by Eulogies and Remembrances by speakers and a final prayer, followed by the recessional of the casket from the sanctuary and a car processional to the Springerville Town Cemetery a few miles away.

There were a total of 8 speakers at the service, including Anthony J. Hilder and myself.  When my turn came, here is what I said from the podium:

“The world will always remember Bill Cooper as an egotistic, paranoia monger.  Indeed, to many he was perhaps an arrogant, obnoxious, choleric, self-aggrandizing, rude, vitriolic and vengeful person.  Perhaps he was all of this and much more.  But no matter how negative his personality is described to be, we must admit the fact that he did indeed make a tremendous impact among hundreds, if not, thousands of his listeners, whether in front of his astounded lecture audiences or through his “shocking” radio programs.

I first met Bill back in 1989 in West L.A. when he was just an unknown speakerand where he spoke for the first time at a gathering called UFORUM in which I was a frequent attendee.  I was quite stunned then with his hypothesis on the “Secret Government“.  It really sounded so fresh at that time because unlike most UFO speakers of that time, he convincingly injected “UFOs” to a “one-world government” right-wing flavored conspiracy theory.

I was so impacted by his hypothesis that I soon became a volunteer and helped him organize his first successful major public appearance that same year, which was held at Hollywood High School Auditorium, which was attended by well over 800 people.  That became the historic launching pad for his national lecture circuit.  And the rest is history.

Later, in December of that year, I even attended the controversial National MUFON Conference held in Las Vegas in which Bill Cooper was perhaps the most controversial speaker aside from John Lear and Bill Moore and others.

The Bill Cooper of then was very much into “Ufology”.  Even in 1991, when Gary Schultz and I organized the first Ultimate Seminar in Rachel, Nevada  (25 miles north of Area 51) , we were surprised to see Bill Cooper as an attendee.

I remember quite well when Gary and I had to lead the people to the White Sides hill for a climb to view the base (Area 51), Bill Cooper could not make the climb due to his leg and he was even cracking up jokes about it.  He stayed at the foothill of White Sides, without being able to see the facility.

In 1993 Bill Cooper, Eustace Mullins, Jordan Maxwell, Vladmir Terziski, Dr. Robert Strecker, Anthony Hilder and myself, together with a couple of other conspiracy speakers were all invited to speak at the First International Conference on Global Deception to be held in the famous Wembley Arena in London.  Because of concerns for security due to the controversial nature of the conference, some of us decided not to travel to England.  Nevertheless, Bill Cooper had the guts to go and speak at the conference.  I admired him for that.

By 1993 I had completely abandoned the so-called “extraterrestrial hypothesis” of the origins of the UFO phenomena and began to promote the hypothesis that the entire UFO phenomena was a brilliantly concocted, staged and manipulated man-made deception by elitists to bring about certain agendas.  (This was the theme of my old video of 1993,  SECRETS OF DREAMLAND).   From then on, I completely disassociated myself with “Ufology”.


I was quite surprised to learn that, later on, Bill Cooper also began to depart from “Ufology” and was also beginning to hypothesize that “UFOs” had nothing to do with “aliens” but was a manipulation of the government to bring about fear to create a one-world government.

I basically agree with Bill Cooper on many of the things he said about UFOs and Aliens.

There is no evidence whatsoever  (so far)  that there are sentient, physical extraterrestrial biological entities commonly known as Aliens.

UFOs do not represent any conclusive evidence whatsoever of physical ET visitations.

However, the above all refer to physical reality as we know it.

( I say that there could be more to reality than just purely physical reality in this mysterious universe.   This could fall in the realm of religious or spiritual beliefs of each person.  I do not discount the religious concept of the existence of sentient paraphysical entities, both benevolent or malevolent in nature.  Some claim that malevolent, fallen paraphysical entities, also rather uncomfortably described as “demonic“, could be materializing and de-materializing at will, posing as physical aliens to pre-selected observers and could be deceiving many.)

In any case, Cooper began to admit that he most likely had been shown disinformation by the government while he was in military service.  On this point, I truly commended Cooper for his admission.  Cooper began to state that he was no longer a “ufologist”.  It was Cooper who coined the term “Ufoology” and I also commended him for it.  We both totally departed from “Ufoology”.

However, Cooper had a tendency to label anyone that didn’t agree with him as “agents of CIA”, etc. After moving to Arizona, he shifted his focus to the Patriot Movement (the Militia Movement), although in reality he was just a one-man militia, simply promoting his view on the Constitutional Republic through his radio programs to thousands of listeners.  This was immediately after the Oklahoma Bombing.  I, too, became involved in the militia movement.

I went to listen to Mark Koernke of the Michigan Militia in a large Conspiracy Conference in Palm Springs.  I also became an acquaintance of Ted Gunderson, former FBI Special Agent-in-charge of Los Angeles who also became sympathetic to the militia movement.  I also began to correspond with the Militia of Montana.

Besides his other numerous negative traits, Bill had an uncontrollable alcoholic problem.

But despite his eccentric, obnoxious personality, deep in his heart I believe that he wanted to be a good person.  Unfortunately he brought an end to his tumultuous life by his self-fulfilling prophecy through his violent act.  My heart goes out to Annie and the children.  (My heart also goes out to the young deputy who was seriously injured in that confrontation. Bill will have to answer to God for that.)  May God forgive and bless the soul of one Milton William “Bill” Cooper.”

This is how I ended my “Remembrances” of Bill Cooper at his funeral.  After the service, we all proceeded in a car processional to the cemetery, under the watchful eyes of several patrol cars, County Sheriff’s vehicles and other governmental agency vehicles. It was just before noon that the casket of Bill Cooper was laid to rest at the graveside.  The casket was then lowered into the ground. It was definitely one of the most emotional moments of my 20 years of being involved with “conspiratology”.

Do I think that Bill Cooper was an unwitting participant in “disinformation”?   Yes, I think so.  He was unwittingly drawn into such a situation.   I believe that Bill Cooper was slowly drawn into delusional paranoia and may have been manipulated by certain entities, i.e., individuals or certain groups with agendas, governmental or not.  I do not know.

By the time that his now “classic” book BEHOLD A PALE HORSE came out and began to receive attention, ironically, he had already began to disassociate himself with much of what he wrote.

BEHOLD A PALE HORSE” was basically a compilation of his past military service history, his original speech “THE SECRET GOVERNMENT”  (now out-dated, filled with misinformation and disinformation and no longer relevant in many ways),  some obscure and outdated, unreliable information and articles provided by others regarding Area 51 and mixed in with verbatim copying of THE PROTOCOLS OF THE LEARNED ELDERS OF ZION, which many researchers had always regarded to be a fraud, to begin with.

I reiterate.  I do not believe that Bill Cooper was a “paid” disinformant at all.  I believe that he was given misinformation, rather than “disinformation”.  I tend to believe that he was simply drawn into and manipulated into being an unwitting participant in this strange world of “conspiratology”.

Bill Cooper was a troubled individual, deep inside.

There was a dark side to his complex personality – – as I stated, he was extremely short-tempered and had a problem with alcoholism.

When he first started giving lectures at UFO meetings and conferences (beginning in 1989), he insisted that one day he had witnessed a sub-merged disc-shaped object rising out of the sea while on a Navy ship during the time he was in military service.

This claim has never been collaborated by any other witness except himself.

But he had already included this story in the book.

I am not saying that he did not see the disc-shaped object.

He could have seen it.

The bottom line is that by the time his book had become popular, he had long come to the conclusion that all UFOs are man-made objects created by the government.

However, I disagree with his views that all UFOs are man-made objects.

I also do not agree with Bill Cooper who said that the government has built man-made UFOs at Groom Lake/Area 51.

Please watch this important video interview – – William Cooper – The Lost Interview never before seen (1999) – – “There are no Aliens”:



As I stated, I disagree with Bill Cooper who said that UFOs have been developed at Groom Lake/Area 51.



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10 thoughts on “My association with the late William Cooper, author of “Behold A Pale Horse”

  1. Cooper was the beneficiary of an accidental intelligence leak about Operation Majority (an actual plan like Operation Northwoods that was not entirely implemented). He then became erratic and paranoid due to his religious programing and tampering by secret agents tasked with discrediting him. There actually is a bureau which specializes in discrediting or destabilizing influential witnesses, but that is another story. If you were programmed in childhood to believe this planet is the center of the universe, and homo sapiens is the crowning glory of all creation, then the presence of a more intelligent species can be unsettling. This psychological weakness was exploited to make Cooper contradict himself (which is how you discredit intelligence leaks.) So there ARE aliens, there ARE abductions, and there ARE cattle mutilations, but there are also counterfeits done by the secret government for parallel research programs. This is actually far more complicated than people would like it to be — including the JFK deal. Nothing is what it appears to be on the surface, and the original untampered Zapruder film has never been seen by the public.

    Cooper said many contradictory things just like Oswald (another mind control victim). But the thing which turned him into a ‘conspiracy nut’ was not a hoax or a trick. The problem is that Bill tried to square other conspiracies with Operation Majority, but he could not make all of the puzzle pieces fit, and sometimes he tried too hard. I guess you could call him crazy, but that does not mean he was entirely wrong … and he did correctly predict that the deep state was setting Osama bin Laden up as the patsy for 9/11. There is one thing we can be absolutely certain about: you can never trust a secret government with secret budgets. The intelligence community has become a fourth branch of government unto itself, with a secret veto over the rest through covert operations. JFK was on the right track when he tried to abolish the CIA and reverse the damage that was done to America by the National Security Act (which created the shadow government that wields so much power today.)


  2. I’ve had two close encounters with amazing UFOs with hours of missing time. Long stories. What are they? I have no idea but I don’t think they’re man-made. These things were incredible looking and did impossible things. My brother was with me once so I’m not crazy. I’m not lying about this.

    I used to listen to Bill every night. He taught me to think for myself.


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